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lavenderdays
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Jul 10 2011 01:45 PM Really late in watching the last few eps as I have been busy, I honestly kinda liked the build up towards the end, keeping on with the suspense and hype, however while the pace of the build-up to the end was great, I felt like I tripped while running when I watched the end, still it delivered despite being rushed. Of course seeing there could have been problems in the production thanks to the novels being split. Either way, Gosick has become one of my memorable shows, there may be flaws, but what can you do? Not everything is perfect. Although I agree, an extension up to 26 episodes may have done the job. Nevertheless as a Detective Mystery Connoisseur you can have my thumbs up on this. Now If I can get somehow my hands on those light Novels . Looks like the season after this show's has another detective mystery, courtesy of my dear wolfie-chan recommending it to me, If it delivers I myself don't have to bother with Boredom as I will be enjoying using my well spring of wisdom |
Kit-Tsukasa
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| QUOTE (Ausdoerrt @ Jul 05 2011, 10:31 PM) |
Considering they were working on the series, I'd assume someone somewhere would've told them about it. If it happened at the last moment and they weren't informed, then they always had the option of not ending the series at 24 and releasing the last few eps as ova. |
My guess is that no one knew that the final novel was going to be split into two light novels until about 1 month or so prior to the final episode...probably not even the author. By then the author for the light novel and the screenwriter for the anime had a good of idea of where it was going to end but probably not how much detail was going to go into it. In essence, the script for the anime had already been written (though not recorded) and at that point there was no turning back.
Of course, the only people who will ever know the truth is the staff behind the show |
Kid-Wolf
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Jul 6 2011 11:55 AM My guess since the major time skip and all they may do a few OVA epsidoes here and there if possible though. in any case I guess it's understandabe because this was taken from a light novel and not a manga. Well that is if you want to compaire this to FMA:Brotherhood of course. |
Ausdoerrt
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| QUOTE | | Well the one thing the director didn't know was that the final novel was going to be split in two. |
Considering they were working on the series, I'd assume someone somewhere would've told them about it. If it happened at the last moment and they weren't informed, then they always had the option of not ending the series at 24 and releasing the last few eps as ova. |
Kit-Tsukasa
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| QUOTE (Ausdoerrt @ Jul 05 2011, 01:41 PM) | Finally watched the ending. With all fairness, that was a hell of a hack-job. Guess it's hard to expect much with them cramming so much in so little screentime, but that's something the director should've thought about when he was cramming out filler-esque episodes. At least they wrapped up the main story, but because of all the time-skips and story lapses, the last two eps felt sort of separate from the rest of the series, and left much to be desired. The lack of explanation for what actually happened with the world was really disappointing as well.
In any case, it was a great series overall, but unfortunately the miscalculated pacing prevented it from being excellent in the end. |
Well the one thing the director didn't know was that the final novel was going to be split in two. I think that was the major pitfall of the show. Filler/pacing is indeed a problem but I don't think the primary case anymore. Extending the show to 25 or even 26 episodes would probably have covered the simple bases just right. As I said in my previous post, 50 episodes or Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood length would be ideal since this show had so much detail scrapped away from it. |
Ausdoerrt
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Jul 5 2011 04:41 PM Finally watched the ending. With all fairness, that was a hell of a hack-job. Guess it's hard to expect much with them cramming so much in so little screentime, but that's something the director should've thought about when he was cramming out filler-esque episodes. At least they wrapped up the main story, but because of all the time-skips and story lapses, the last two eps felt sort of separate from the rest of the series, and left much to be desired. The lack of explanation for what actually happened with the world was really disappointing as well. In any case, it was a great series overall, but unfortunately the miscalculated pacing prevented it from being excellent in the end. |
Kid-Wolf
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Jul 4 2011 07:52 PM My guess this was kind of around the time of pre-WWII here more along the line of how the map was slowly going ot change. Also, I think it was around this time that Japan was invading China around this time as well. In any case it was nice to see that my dear loli Victorique changed her hair color in the end. For a moment there it looked like she went from being known as the Grey Wolf to a Sliver Fox. In any case before they did cut away from Kujo-kun it looked like he may of had a near death experience that caused him to think he lost his lower body. If you ask me it might of been the pressure of the colapsed building that was on him, so it is reasonable on why he still had his legs and why they were bandaged as well. Overall the reunion between my dear loli Victorique and her lolo Kujo-kunwas to be somewhat expected, but enver the less for it to end up in the Spring Time only made it more meaningful here. |
Kit-Tsukasa
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Jul 4 2011 06:31 PM GOSICK, the most hyped show second to Madoka in Winter 2010/2011 and second to Ano Hana and even possibly Steins;Gate in Spring 2011. Based on light novels that went on hiatus for several years before finally ending around when the series ended.
GOSICK follows the mysterious "Gray Wolf" clan, particularly Victorique and her little Japanese "slave" Kazuya Kujo. The show is a series of mystery arcs where little Victorique shows off her "Spring of Wisdom" that she acquired from being cooped up in a cell or clock tower library all day. The best part of the plot is how even the smallest events tie in together in this show where future arcs builds on material from the previous arcs, which shows some very strong plot continuity. Unfortunately, it seems that this show spent a little bit too much time on the buildup and too little time on the climax, particularly the last two episodes where events felt very rushed. While the show certainly covered a whole lot of material over the span of 24 episodes, I felt that they could have easily stretched this out over 50 episodes to produce a strong and solid masterpiece like they did with Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. The show highlights a lot of the big picture, but having read part of the light novels, it could have been so much more interesting, especially in the final 2 episodes where one doesn't even have to read the novels to see the amount of details left out.
Animation is as expected from BONES. The dark scenes were a bit poor, but it seems they were fixed in the Blu-Ray releases. Art is very solid throughout the show, but the glare and lighting could have been fixed in various light/projection scenes.
Music was overall solid for this show. While the OP and ED2 were not exactly favorites, they were decent to listen to once every week. ED1 is on a whole different level if you ask me. Voice acting was great, especially Victorique and Cordelia. Victorique voiced by Aoi Yuuki was great as she has often voiced the "hime" type role. Cordelia Gallo voiced by Miyuki Sawashiro was probably the best role Sawashiro has done since Shinku in Rozen Maiden several years ago.
Character development was shallow unfortunately. The show didn't really have the "time" to dive in this but I was hoping that the staff would be smart enough to actually stretch this out over 50 episodes. Its not like BONES hasn't done a 50 episode show before. The screenwriter and director may be a different story but still.... Brian's character is probably the most notable of the group to be rushed....they just happened to be twins and called the same person.
Enjoyment? GOSICK was definitely one of the most enjoyable shows over the past two seasons. While not the most enjoyable (as indicated earlier) due to is on/off episodes, it definitely captured a feel we haven't seen in anime for quite some time. It also had some strong and consistent writing overall while tying in multiple layers of stories and themes.
Overall, GOSICK was not a masterpiece but it certainly was by no means bad. It was more or less consistent throughout all 24 episodes and it's going to be sad seeing this show disappear from my weekly watchlist. On another note, Victorique dyeing her hair gray/silver was an interesting touch....though I can't imagine where you could get such a dye color of the sort during those times. Black I could understand, but I'd imagine gray/silver to be hard to obtain. I also find it hard to believe that Victorique didn't grow over the 5 year time skip. While Cordelia (still sad that she died after that epic fight in episode 23) was still a "chibi" she certainly looked taller than she did prior to giving birth to Victorique...whereas Victorique looks like she shrunk after meeting up with Kujo again. Preliminary Score: 8/10
Final Score: 8/10 Now to answer a few people's questions/comments: | QUOTE | | 1. Kujo...that dream or near death experience. His lower half looking like it was blown away...then he sees the ring Vic gave him and he passes out? Revives? Gets a renewed sense of living on? Perhaps, all of these fell into place at the end...but for me, I wanted a little more detail. |
I actually thought the same thing. I thought he had loss half his body and was questioning what the heck was that even about. Even if it was true or if it was a fracture of some sort, medical technology is certainly not that advanced in 1929 to even repair him as good as new. Altered universe or not, it's not believable.
| QUOTE | | Victorique is suddenly in japan awaiting Kujo. How did she get there? The journey towards Japan would be nice to see and how she was taken in by Kujo's family could have been a lot better. I would rather say that they could have made a complete scene about it. Where was the explanation about how Japan became involved in this war? What about Kujo's father, mother and brothers? What about how Kujo and Victorique's future? And i still have a lot more questions: the letters, her hair etc.. A lot of questions which aren't answered. |
Part of this is an easy question. Victorique had planned to flee to Japan as we saw when she continued to stay on the boat. That's all you really need to know. She didn't get caught because she dyed her hair gray/silver, which prevented her from being known as the "Gray Wolf."...hence she made it to Japan easily.
As for the war, the show accelerated WWII to some degree. My history may be very wrong here, but t seems like the show portrayed more of the European clash with Russia/Soviet Union, which if I recall, Japan played a minor role as allies of European countries. This would sort of explain why Kujo would get back to his homeland.
Alternatively, Kujo returned after the war because he noted "the war had ended." |
AccipiterF1
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Jul 4 2011 02:56 PM OK, so I marathoned the last five episodes today. I can't say I was a big fan of the alternate history, but I guess if you have made up countries, you can have made up time lines as well. But I think it would have given the story more impact if it followed real world events more truly, especially since it would have separated them for a much longer time. But if they had done that, I guess then we would have had to think about things like Kujo bayoneting Chinese babies or torturing POWs or stuff like that, so... I also wish the end was better tied to Victorique solving some big mystery as well. Solving the queen's murder was OK I guess, but it would have been better if the series ending mystery was more closely tied to her life than that. Her figuring out that her dad being a manipulative autocrat pushing the country into war just didn't cut it. But the very end, with them coming together, that was in my opinion the only good way to end the series, and they did manage that pretty well. Overall I would give the series an 8/10. |
nijlandp
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Jul 3 2011 04:10 PM So we get a good ending to this series. I can't say that i dislike it . But since the village elder said they would be separated maybe an extra episode with a not so good ending would be good to have. I do however have a few things which i didn't like. Kujo's dream was completely out of place. It didn't add anything to the story. Victorique is suddenly in japan awaiting Kujo. How did she get there? The journey towards Japan would be nice to see and how she was taken in by Kujo's family could have been a lot better. I would rather say that they could have made a complete scene about it. Where was the explanation about how Japan became involved in this war? What about Kujo's father, mother and brothers? What about how Kujo and Victorique's future? And i still have a lot more questions: the letters, her hair etc.. A lot of questions which aren't answered. In all what was wrong with this ending is simply put: it was rushed and skipped across a lot of things. Why didn't the writers make a few more episodes instead of fitting everything in just one (let's say two) episodes? If i have to give this series a grade it would be an 8 out of 10..and that is due to this rushed ending. Otherwise it really deserved a 9 out of 10. |
