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warita200
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| QUOTE (motormind @ Oct 03 2009, 09:40 AM) |
What do you mean, "that's how it supposed to be"? Who the heck are you to tell anyone who they should love?
So it looks like you're finally showing your true colors. Well, I'll be bowing out of this discussion, since I have learned it's a waste of time to debate with bigots in general and homophobes like you in particular. |
I am not finally showing it. I was saying it all the time, you were just not listening. Are you suggesting we all should have the same inclinations as you? And no, I am not interested in seeing a yuri couple in a non yuri anime, as simple as that. I dont really care if it is about love or something more, ....
And I believe I said, that everybody has the right to freedom of choice. Such is my belief, however I never said I agreed with those choices and I sure as hell dont want to have to watch that either. You say I am homofobic? If that was so, it is still my right to be that way just as it is your right to be that person you are. I am no doing anybody any harm, I only wish anime producers would be equally considerate with the female audience the way they are with their male audience, coz if you think about it, there are very little yaoi couples in normal animes. But it would seem that it doesnt matter, how we females feel about this. This and nothing more was my point right from the beginning. I never ment to insult anybody and you just take insult because you feel personaly attacked, even though it was not meant that way.
Anyways, this discussion has ended.
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motormind
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| QUOTE (warita200 @ Oct 03 2009, 06:32 AM) | | no. I would not have objected to that, after all, thats how it is supposed to be. |
What do you mean, "that's how it supposed to be"? Who the heck are you to tell anyone who they should love?
So it looks like you're finally showing your true colors. Well, I'll be bowing out of this discussion, since I have learned it's a waste of time to debate with bigots in general and homophobes like you in particular.
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warita200
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| QUOTE (motormind @ Oct 03 2009, 05:17 AM) | Would you also have objected if Kyouko and Tomoe would have fallen in love with guys? If not, then that's a rather weird double standard. Love is love, no matter the genders of the ones involved.
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no. I would not have objected to that, after all, thats how it is supposed to be. Although they are a little too young to be going out with guys. And I dont object to them falling in love. I simply dont want to watch that. This is a sensitive topic and it is not to everybodys liking, as simple as that.
Like I said, ask some guys if they want to watch two other males being all crazy about each other. I dont think you will get a positive answer. Equally not all females think it is "tasty" to watch a female couple. I dont mind the crossings of different genres, als long as it stays in the boundaries of decency and doesnt ruffle any feathers. Its not something everybody wants to see.
I never heard anything about class S relationships. Very educational that article you posted. Good, I admit defeat in this. (but really never heard of it....). But you know what? If they were making refenrences to this class S relationships, they could have made it a little more clear, that it was trend back then in Japan. They could have made Kyoko read some of those books and discuss it with her friend or something.
| QUOTE | | The only reason why Kyouko's story was a bit of a miss to me was because she seemed so heartbroken, which clashed a bit with the happy mood of the show. |
Hmm, actually, I found her constant whining a little childish.
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motormind
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| QUOTE (warita200 @ Oct 03 2009, 02:44 AM) | I admit, that it was very mild yet I still feel it didnt fit in there.
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Actually, it would have felt unnatural if it hadn't been addressed at all, since it's rather common at all-girl schools. I feel all those girls are pretty chaste for their age, toward girls and guys.
| QUOTE (warita200 @ Oct 03 2009, 02:44 AM) |
There are specific genres that depic lesbian/homosexual love. Not all heterosexuals are fine with such scenes. Just ask a guy, if he would feel comfortable watching two guys going all crazy about each other and see what kind of answer you will get. The same goes for me, Kyokos infatuation was making me go eeeeeeeeeÂ
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The only reason why Kyouko's story was a bit of a miss to me was because she seemed so heartbroken, which clashed a bit with the happy mood of the show.
| QUOTE (warita200 @ Oct 03 2009, 02:44 AM) |
I am aware that some people like this, so its OK, there are specific genres for that. Guys (or lesbians) who like to watch two girls making out (or smilar) have their yuri series and females who want to see two guys in love situations have yaoi.
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It's silly that certain stuff should only occur in specific genres. With that mindset, baseball shows should always be targeted at boys and always be about guys achieving high goals. Mix and match is the way to go to keep things fresh.
| QUOTE (warita200 @ Oct 03 2009, 02:44 AM) |
Plus during that era lesbian love was sure not being encouraged. I dont know where you took that information from. I am not sure about lesbian love, but homosexuality was a common thing in Japan couple of centuries ago.
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Kyouko and Tomoe don't necessarily have to be "true" lesbians. Perhaps you could read this article about "Class S" relationships: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_S_%28genre%29| QUOTE (warita200 @ Oct 03 2009, 02:44 AM) |
However at the time this anime was set, this was not the case anymore and back then folks were pretty conservative. What was encouraged was the traditional role of a female, that means getting married, have a family and take good care of her husband.
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Yes, so? Japanese girls are supposed to grow out of their Class S relationships once they reach a certain age.
| QUOTE (warita200 @ Oct 03 2009, 02:44 AM) |
I dont see how lesbian love fits into this programm
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Would you also have objected if Kyouko and Tomoe would have fallen in love with guys? If not, then that's a rather weird double standard. Love is love, no matter the genders of the ones involved.
| QUOTE (warita200 @ Oct 03 2009, 02:44 AM) |
I am not fond of the position of females back than, nor the contemporal role females have in japan nowadays. I believe strongly in freedom of choice and that includes sexuality as well. However, I prefer not to watch it! |
Romantic two girl friendships are a fairly common theme in modern Japanese culture, be it in literature, movies, manga or anime. If you don't like it, I would advise you to watch shounen action shows only--and even there it's not always avoided.
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warita200
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Oct 3 2009 04:44 AM I admit, that it was very mild yet I still feel it didnt fit in there. There are specific genres that depic lesbian/homosexual love. Not all heterosexuals are fine with such scenes. Just ask a guy, if he would feel comfortable watching two guys going all crazy about each other and see what kind of answer you will get. The same goes for me, Kyokos infatuation was making me go eeeeeeeee I am aware that some people like this, so its OK, there are specific genres for that. Guys (or lesbians) who like to watch two girls making out (or smilar) have their yuri series and females who want to see two guys in love situations have yaoi. Plus during that era lesbian love was sure not being encouraged. I dont know where you took that information from. I am not sure about lesbian love, but homosexuality was a common thing in Japan couple of centuries ago. However at the time this anime was set, this was not the case anymore and back then folks were pretty conservative. What was encouraged was the traditional role of a female, that means getting married, have a family and take good care of her husband. I dont see how lesbian love fits into this programm, in fact in the light of the assigned role to the female, such an inclination would be considered heretic. I am not fond of the position of females back than, nor the contemporal role females have in japan nowadays. I believe strongly in freedom of choice and that includes sexuality as well. However, I prefer not to watch it! |
motormind
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| QUOTE (warita200 @ Oct 01 2009, 11:32 AM) | true, however not of any interest to me.
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Too bad for you then. Writers can do whatever they wish in their stories.
| QUOTE (warita200 @ Oct 01 2009, 11:32 AM) |
This kind of thing should be reserved for yuri series. Whoever wants to watch 2 girls make out, knows what genre to look for.
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I didn't say anything about girls making out. Simply showing affection, like holding hands or smiling at teach other, is more than enough. It's likely also mostly what Kyouko wants from Tomoe.
| QUOTE (warita200 @ Oct 01 2009, 11:32 AM) |
Besides, in that era I dont think this was a common thing to beginn with, back then folks were more conservative.
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Actually, it is right in that period in Japan that attraction between young girls became regarded as fairly commonplace and was sometimes even mildly encouraged. Despite of that, homosexuality is for all ages. And, again, it takes place at an all-girl school.
| QUOTE (warita200 @ Oct 01 2009, 11:32 AM) |
And this show is a shoujo type of anime, so why do we need to watch a yuri couple? It didnt fit in there and I didnt like it. Maybe the producers thought that without it, we would be bored to death or they had a go at some of their fantasies..... |
I think it fit in here very well. When you put 20 girls together, statistically seen two of them will be lesbian and perhaps even more bisexual. Plus, it's fairly mild in this series. I don't get the idea either Tomoe or Kyouko are intent on jumping another girl--which, by the way, is also what happens at such schools, willingly or not.
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| QUOTE (motormind @ Oct 01 2009, 11:07 AM) |
I was especially disappointed how they keep playing with poor Kyouko'sfeelings, since that girl appears to be truly in love with Tomoe throughout the series. Just because a girl's object of affection is also female doesn't mean it is any less genuine. |
true, however not of any interest to me. This kind of thing should be reserved for yuri series. Whoever wants to watch 2 girls make out, knows what genre to look for. Besides, in that era I dont think this was a common thing to beginn with, back then folks were more conservative. And this show is a shoujo type of anime, so why do we need to watch a yuri couple? It didnt fit in there and I didnt like it. Maybe the producers thought that without it, we would be bored to death or they had a go at some of their fantasies.....
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motormind
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| QUOTE (warita200 @ Sep 29 2009, 09:10 AM) | | I would have changed some things..... I didnt like the girl who was so infatuated with her sempai. What was that supposed to be? A lesbian? it didnt fit in there, this was not a yuri series (unless I misunderstood something). On a side note I do wonder, why so many animes hint on lesbian relationships. Is that common in Japan? |
It's not more common in Japan than anywhere else. At an all-girl school girls are also likely to be more infatuated with each other.
I wouldn't even have minded if they had given it some more attention, since the girls in this show are all totally fun personalities, whereas the guys appear as dull as rusty doornails. Saburou is point in case: every time he appears on screen I almost doze off.
I was especially disappointed how they keep playing with poor Kyouko'sfeelings, since that girl appears to be truly in love with Tomoe throughout the series. Just because a girl's object of affection is also female doesn't mean it is any less genuine.
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| QUOTE (warita200 @ Sep 29 2009, 09:10 AM) | I would have changed some things..... I didnt like the girl who was so infatuated with her sempai. What was that supposed to be? A lesbian? it didnt fit in there, this was not a yuri series (unless I misunderstood something). On a side note I do wonder, why so many animes hint on lesbian relationships. Is that common in Japan?
I also expected a little more of Koume and Saburou moments. They were both so sweet. I dearly missed the scene, where she tells that Don Juan baseball guy to go to h.... Since they lost, Koume was supposed to go on a date with him..... hmmm, I do hope she told him she wasnt going to. Maybe she should allow Saburou to enlighten him, mhuahahaha |
I'm not going to say that lesbians relationships are more common in Japan than anywhere else but I think you have to understand in an all girls school its pretty common for a few girls to be looked at like that.
but I can tell you one thing women are always easily infatuated with each other unless one is a total B*#@H
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Sep 29 2009 03:32 PM A really good series. Wouldnt have thought that when I first read about it. The match at the end was very good to. It was made so that it doesnt look unfair that the girls got so good after just a few months, and it wouldve destroyed my opinion of this series if they wouldve won. And in the end everything was cleared with Akikos fiancee (forgot his name) and Koumes family. But I wonder if that one guy really proposed to Koume. Wouldve wanted to see Saburos reaction ^^ Like I said a really good anime with nice characters and good character development. If there would be a second season (what I highly doubt) I would defenitly watch it. |
