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May 19 2008 01:20 AM
Well aside from that, since there is no official threat for Gundam SEED(I searched and searched). I thought I put it here, I re-watched it.After they acquired The earth gundams, on episode 3 Issak says this; "It serves them right, calling themselves a neutral state." I guess he left out the earth alliance could have snucked in and made a secret lab to build this on an Orb Colony.

When i first saw it i thought that they would tell him(Issak) that the ship he shut down where not escaping soldiers, but where civilians. As i re-watched it again, i remember they didn't, wonder what his reaction was when they did tell. If he apologized or somethin. Destiny was the far worst sequel for me.

Shin had to much problems of blaming Orb and not the Earth Forces which the pilots from SEED where the cause of his families deaths. After Azrun tried to convince him to forgive, he had to be stubborned.

Regarding couples on both series, since Luna is staying with Shin, there is no place for Meyrin around them(third wheel). So Azrun just walks her of, Kagali only put there plans on hold(marriage) until things are organized. No Lakusu will not go insane, what she might be plotting is counter measures in case a new threat appears. Kira will never stop loving her even if she goes insane, he will just try bringing her back to reality.

I just wished that Shin would have forced Stellars cockpit open and gotten her out, that way she would have never died. Then that will leave Luna with Meyrin. About Flay dying, if they didn't get rid of her, Kira would have never gotten together with Lakusu. Who should have died was Issak instead of Nicolu.

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Mar 17 2008 08:37 AM

gee I wonder what all of this sounds like.....Sounds like Destiny Special Edition to me where everything was retold from Athrun's point of view. The Special Editions basically readapt everything in the manga.

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Mar 16 2008 11:10 PM
The differences you stated Shinobu are exactly why the manga is an adaption and not the original story. Being an adaption, the manga has to follow the anime in some way, otherwise it can't be considered an adaption, but that does not mean that everything in the adaption is what happens in the original. We've seen various anime adapted mangas and manga adapted animes that have deviated from the original storyline in some way, and so the added or deviated stuff from the adaptions are not considered part of the original anime/manga. There's also the fact that the manga you're talking about, Gundam Seed Destiny The Edge, isn't even the mainstream manga for Gundam Seed Destiny to start with. There was also the fact that in the author's comments, he said that that manga actually has a bit of shoujo feel in it, so it would make sense if they included some more romantic elements in it than in the original (since Cagalli couldn't be with Athrun for a huge chunk of the series, it would only make sense to add the romance with Meyrin, being the only other girl there), but that doesn't make the series one with the original.

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Mar 16 2008 10:34 PM

The manga itself was produced by Bandai and the author Chimaki Kuori is affiliated with the anime and producers. The anime focuses on Shinn, Kira and Athrun to a slighly lesser extent. But the Manga focuses on Athrun's story. Thus the "added material" was just to fill in his side of the sotry. We get to see his and Meyrin's relationship develop more in teh manga than in the anime because we had more time focused on Athrun.

The manga does follow the anime, just through Athrun's side of the story. It was made to be an addition to the actual main stroy from the anime and thus is canon.

The only notable difference were:

1. Gilbert Durandal acknowledged to Athrun that Meer Campbell was an impostor. Even Meer herself admitted this fact to her "fiance". (She reasoned that she was able to use Lacus Clyne's "strength" for good purposes if she impersonated her idol.) Although Gilbert and Meer both admitted this in the anime as well, Meer was shown to be more mature here.

2. During Athrun's defection from ZAFT, Meer was also portrayed as sane. When she rejected Athrun's offer to leave with him, she argued that there is nothing wrong with her being Lacus; she felt that it was the only identity she had.

3. Heine Westenfluss's role was expanded: he was present at the battle of Gulnahan, and it was stated that he was in a team (which was disbanded after Gulnahan). Also, he went drinking with Athrun during their night's stay at Diocuia. (Athrun was using him as an excuse to get away from Meer. The drinking session was given as a probable reason why Athrun did not know of Meer's sneaking into his room later.)

4. In this series, Shinn is portrayed in a more favourable light, and his relationship with Athrun is more cordial.

5.The final battle between the Infinite Justice and the Destiny is somewhat different from the anime version.

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Mar 16 2008 10:31 PM
I think one of the key signatures that was left in the Athrun/Cagalli relationship was the fact that they ended it without another development of relationship in regards to Meyrin. Plus, throughout the second half of the series Meyrin responded almost out of instincts when Athrun escaped the zaft base with Meyrin. Honestly, I doubt that such relationship between the two will develop at all, in the movie nor in a possible third series.

Plus, of the four 'certain' relationships we've seen so far (Kira and Flay, Kira and Lacus, Athrun and Lacus, Athrun and Cagalli) all of them had the two lovers talking to each other in such a certain fashion. Athrun and Meer, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have that certain fashion.

And agreeing with Chrono, don't confuse manga adaptations and the original plot together. Following the anime (like good forum people we are) the manga doesn't have anything to do with the producer/writer's intentions, but could be coincidental.

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Mar 16 2008 10:12 PM

Hold it there. Don't forget that the anime is the original and the manga is just the adaption and can freely add things that aren't related to the original so as long as it is somehow connected like original story (not to mention the author of a manga adapted from an anime doesn't necessarily have to be affiliated with the anime producers). So just because the manga went further into Athrun and Meyrin's relationship doesn't mean that'll happen in the anime/movie. Besides, Cagalli and Athrun look like a better pair don't they?

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Mar 16 2008 09:49 PM
Athrun was wearing an ORB admiral's uniform.

You should also know that in Gundam SEED Destiny: The Edge (manga) Athrun and Meyrin's relationship has more development than from the anime. (Given that the manga focuses soley on Athrun's point of view) In the manga you can defenatly feel that Athrun is attracted to Meyrin more after her helping him in Gabraltier than what is shown in the anime and vise versa. Although yes their feelings for each other don't result in a romantic relationship at the end like the anime, the manga defenatly shows that something romantic is developing. The manga also dives a little more into how Cagalli and Athrun's relationship breaks apart.

Yes Athrun will always have feelings for Cagalli, but that's normal for most couples and i expect them to stay close friends. Just like with Durandal and Gladys, they still had feelings for each other even after she broke up with him and married another man. (BTW Gladys' husband was killed during the 1st war so that why we see her sleeping with Durandel in that one episode)

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Mar 16 2008 08:54 PM

I can, but I won't say so until enough hints have been given. The only confirmed cast are Kira, Athrun, Lacus, and Cagalli at this point.... With Zaft/Plant and ORB at peace along with most of the Earth Alliance, I can only think of one final thing that could stir up conflict and if you watched Seed, Destiny, and Stargazer carefully, you may be able to see right through a plot hole. However, again, I'm not sure if Sunrise will be going in that direction.

LACUS IS PERFECT!!! Forget Kira As the pink princess and casted by the best female actress, Rie Tanaka, that is more than enough to say she's perfect even though there's the chance that she could go Suigintou on us.

Cagalli left Athrun the ring because she had to take care of ORB, but it doesn't mean she permanently left him. Athrun definetely still has feelings for Cagalli and probably some for Meyrin, but Athrun's hanging character development at the end made it unclear who Athrun would go with even though he walked off the stage with Meyrin. Because if you watched DVD special edition IV, we see him dressed in a ORB uniform acting as an elite or ambassador of ORB while Kira is dressed in a white Zaft suit.

1st series was done brilliantly because of plot and character development compared to Seed. The ending was good because it left a 2nd season coming for sure. Killing off Flay in my opinion was a good thing and you know why.

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Mar 16 2008 08:35 PM

Woah woah woah! I didn't mean to anger you. These are just ideas about a fanfic that I've head rolling around in my head for a while. If they get turned into a movie/3rd series then i'd be happy with that. But comeon we all know something is wrong with Lacus. no girl is THAT perfect unless she has something planned or her mental state is not all that stable.

V I see this in Gundam Seeds Future. V
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About #2 being a toss up, Cagalli essentally broke up with Athrun when she took off the ring and left him in Meyrin's hands. Not to mention the 2 walking away with each other at the end of Episodes 51 Final plus as a couple.

And in all honesty i didn't like the 1st series all that much. The last 2 episodes were very bad in my book. killing of almost half the main cast and especially when they killed off Flay. I really think that the writers did a much better job with GSD than the 1st series.

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Mar 16 2008 08:11 PM

Yeah well it would seem more natural to pick up where Destiny ends + 2 years, so that would have to include the cast from both series i guess. I would have to agree on that messing with Kira + Lacus is like taking away the essence of Seed franchise. Honestly I can't see what more they can milk out off this series so will be interesting to see what she has thought up during her years of sickness.